Comments on: The Mystery of Submission – Ephesians 5 (part 13 of 16) http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html Author | Speaker Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:21:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dale Fincher http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html/comment-page-1#comment-906 Dale Fincher Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:41:00 +0000 http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html#comment-906 Philip, you are the kind of person that finds this view of Eph 5 as common sense... and I think it supposed to be taken that way, especially as we experience it in the gospel. Sometimes I think theologians have their noses too close to the page, parsing out words, that they miss the metaphorical intelligence and the larger picture of the Kingdom. <br/><br/>On love and respect, one thing I don't mention in the next post that I think I should include in later writings is that if "respect" is the summation of a woman's role in the home, then that's the nuance of submit we should take. And if that's the case, it is even less dubious that 'submit' is always a position of 'under authority.' Philip, you are the kind of person that finds this view of Eph 5 as common sense… and I think it supposed to be taken that way, especially as we experience it in the gospel. Sometimes I think theologians have their noses too close to the page, parsing out words, that they miss the metaphorical intelligence and the larger picture of the Kingdom.

On love and respect, one thing I don’t mention in the next post that I think I should include in later writings is that if “respect” is the summation of a woman’s role in the home, then that’s the nuance of submit we should take. And if that’s the case, it is even less dubious that ’submit’ is always a position of ‘under authority.’

]]> By: Philip http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html/comment-page-1#comment-903 Philip Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:08:00 +0000 http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html#comment-903 Man and Woman working together is the essence of marriage. One flesh doing whatever it can to live. Somewhere else someone mentioned how if we focused on love, we wouldn't really be having this conversation. I agree. Love, in the agape sense, means submission to or being under another. I loved how you mentioned in a post about how opening the door for a women was originally meant to be a sign of love and respect for the life of the other. To me, that is my goal in all of life, especially with my wife.<br/><br/>I haven't spent much time lately on this debate mainly because I came to the conclusion that it comes down to Savannah and I loving each other in anyway needed and putting the other first. Looking at your exegesis of this passage sustains this for me. I am to act as a savior to my wife, and she is to come and undergird me. I am doing all I can to help Savannah start a photography business and likewise she is encouraging me and supporting me going back to school. We are both willing to put our own dreams aside for the other as long as the other doesn't give up their dreams. It's fun, humbling, vulnerable, and Christ-honoring.<br/><br/>I look forward to your love and respect post. I have some thoughts about it already. Man and Woman working together is the essence of marriage. One flesh doing whatever it can to live. Somewhere else someone mentioned how if we focused on love, we wouldn’t really be having this conversation. I agree. Love, in the agape sense, means submission to or being under another. I loved how you mentioned in a post about how opening the door for a women was originally meant to be a sign of love and respect for the life of the other. To me, that is my goal in all of life, especially with my wife.

I haven’t spent much time lately on this debate mainly because I came to the conclusion that it comes down to Savannah and I loving each other in anyway needed and putting the other first. Looking at your exegesis of this passage sustains this for me. I am to act as a savior to my wife, and she is to come and undergird me. I am doing all I can to help Savannah start a photography business and likewise she is encouraging me and supporting me going back to school. We are both willing to put our own dreams aside for the other as long as the other doesn’t give up their dreams. It’s fun, humbling, vulnerable, and Christ-honoring.

I look forward to your love and respect post. I have some thoughts about it already.

]]> By: Dale Fincher http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html/comment-page-1#comment-900 Dale Fincher Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:12:00 +0000 http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html#comment-900 Mandy, that's it. I think the question of who is in charge wouldn't even arise if we were focused on love (an admonish also given to men AND women in 1 Cor 13 and other places) and washing one another's feet. When when love isn't present, even still, authority won't help one proceed as much as encouraging one another to follow Jesus.<br/><br/>Marital cooperation has fallen on hard times in some evangelical sectors. We separate men and women (assigning them different planets) and pretend we're so different than we just have to make do. This is an area where the church can lead in the culture rather than be 20 years behind it. <br/><br/>Men and women working together is a powerful human argument. Mandy, that’s it. I think the question of who is in charge wouldn’t even arise if we were focused on love (an admonish also given to men AND women in 1 Cor 13 and other places) and washing one another’s feet. When when love isn’t present, even still, authority won’t help one proceed as much as encouraging one another to follow Jesus.

Marital cooperation has fallen on hard times in some evangelical sectors. We separate men and women (assigning them different planets) and pretend we’re so different than we just have to make do. This is an area where the church can lead in the culture rather than be 20 years behind it.

Men and women working together is a powerful human argument.

]]> By: Mandy Orozco http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html/comment-page-1#comment-899 Mandy Orozco Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:24:00 +0000 http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/08/the-mystery-of-submission-ephesians-5-part-13-of-16.html#comment-899 Great point about God designing marriage to bring two together to become "one flesh" and how that pertains to our identity (blurring the lines of it, that is) and harmony in that. If we truly reflected on this great challenge I think we would be less distracted by who needs to submit and more focused on how we can make life more, as you adeptly put it, "harmonious." Great point about God designing marriage to bring two together to become “one flesh” and how that pertains to our identity (blurring the lines of it, that is) and harmony in that. If we truly reflected on this great challenge I think we would be less distracted by who needs to submit and more focused on how we can make life more, as you adeptly put it, “harmonious.”

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