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		<title>By: Dale Fincher</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Fincher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, I think that&#039;s an excellent point.  We&#039;ve accepted the secular assumptions in many areas, especially when it comes to religion in the marketplace.  Thanks for posting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mary, it is dangerous thing to attack your opponent speck in the eye when the beam is sticking out of your own guy.  Obama&#039;s history does have some speculative things about it; though he does share a very secular view of religion when asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, I think that&#8217;s an excellent point.  We&#8217;ve accepted the secular assumptions in many areas, especially when it comes to religion in the marketplace.  Thanks for posting.</p>
<p>Mary, it is dangerous thing to attack your opponent speck in the eye when the beam is sticking out of your own guy.  Obama&#8217;s history does have some speculative things about it; though he does share a very secular view of religion when asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Fincher</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Fincher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, I think that&#039;s an excellent point.  We&#039;ve accepted the secular assumptions in many areas, especially when it comes to religion in the marketplace.  Thanks for posting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mary, it is dangerous thing to attack your opponent speck in the eye when the beam is sticking out of your own guy.  Obama&#039;s history does have some speculative things about it; though he does share a very secular view of religion when asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, I think that&#8217;s an excellent point.  We&#8217;ve accepted the secular assumptions in many areas, especially when it comes to religion in the marketplace.  Thanks for posting.</p>
<p>Mary, it is dangerous thing to attack your opponent speck in the eye when the beam is sticking out of your own guy.  Obama&#8217;s history does have some speculative things about it; though he does share a very secular view of religion when asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it crazy that people are willing to equate Palin with Muslim faith, but won&#039;t go near it when it&#039;s in Obama&#039;s own backyard? Why is that topic off limits for Obama&#039;s critics when it is a legitamate concern, yet some want to make up connections with Palin?! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The media is solely to blame for the world of politics being what it is. That is why your last paragraph sums it up beutifully. &#039;Nuf said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it crazy that people are willing to equate Palin with Muslim faith, but won&#8217;t go near it when it&#8217;s in Obama&#8217;s own backyard? Why is that topic off limits for Obama&#8217;s critics when it is a legitamate concern, yet some want to make up connections with Palin?! </p>
<p>The media is solely to blame for the world of politics being what it is. That is why your last paragraph sums it up beutifully. &#8216;Nuf said.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Fincher</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Fincher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Jesse.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Today&#039;s secularism really believes (contrary to history) that no religion can be grounded in reality and on reason and that faith means believing against the evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As long as they operate on these premises, they will always go wrong.  They are false categories.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If God exists, he&#039;s as real as molecules and hanging chads.  If God exists, we&#039;d better stop and all remember who are the creatures after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Jesse.  </p>
<p>Today&#8217;s secularism really believes (contrary to history) that no religion can be grounded in reality and on reason and that faith means believing against the evidence.</p>
<p>As long as they operate on these premises, they will always go wrong.  They are false categories.</p>
<p>If God exists, he&#8217;s as real as molecules and hanging chads.  If God exists, we&#8217;d better stop and all remember who are the creatures after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Fincher</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Fincher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Jesse.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Today&#039;s secularism really believes (contrary to history) that no religion can be grounded in reality and on reason and that faith means believing against the evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As long as they operate on these premises, they will always go wrong.  They are false categories.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If God exists, he&#039;s as real as molecules and hanging chads.  If God exists, we&#039;d better stop and all remember who are the creatures after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Jesse.  </p>
<p>Today&#8217;s secularism really believes (contrary to history) that no religion can be grounded in reality and on reason and that faith means believing against the evidence.</p>
<p>As long as they operate on these premises, they will always go wrong.  They are false categories.</p>
<p>If God exists, he&#8217;s as real as molecules and hanging chads.  If God exists, we&#8217;d better stop and all remember who are the creatures after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did: &quot;No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or any public trust under the United States&quot; become: &quot;No religion shall every be allowed to influence any office or any public trust&quot;?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I like how you draw attention to the &quot;private&quot; nature of religion that seems to be imposed upon us.  It&#039;s absurd to think that an individual&#039;s religion is permissible so long as it has no bearing on how they behave.  Thank God for men like James Madison and Martin Luther King who acted on their strong religious convictions and changed the course of our great nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did: &#8220;No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or any public trust under the United States&#8221; become: &#8220;No religion shall every be allowed to influence any office or any public trust&#8221;?</p>
<p>I like how you draw attention to the &#8220;private&#8221; nature of religion that seems to be imposed upon us.  It&#8217;s absurd to think that an individual&#8217;s religion is permissible so long as it has no bearing on how they behave.  Thank God for men like James Madison and Martin Luther King who acted on their strong religious convictions and changed the course of our great nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Killian</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wondering why so many of my Christian friends - at least the ones in my age demographic - are so quick to denounce someone like Sarah Palin.  I was recently invited to join the &quot;One Million People against Sarah Palin&quot; group on Facebook by a friend. The whole thing really rubbed me the wrong way.  I haven&#039;t joined a group &quot;against&quot; anyone, and I don&#039;t plan to.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder, in our desire to make Christianity relevant, if we&#039;ve simply accepted many of the secularist&#039;s assumptions regarding politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering why so many of my Christian friends &#8211; at least the ones in my age demographic &#8211; are so quick to denounce someone like Sarah Palin.  I was recently invited to join the &#8220;One Million People against Sarah Palin&#8221; group on Facebook by a friend. The whole thing really rubbed me the wrong way.  I haven&#8217;t joined a group &#8220;against&#8221; anyone, and I don&#8217;t plan to.</p>
<p>I wonder, in our desire to make Christianity relevant, if we&#8217;ve simply accepted many of the secularist&#8217;s assumptions regarding politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Fincher</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Fincher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for your comment and good distinction between journalism and editorial.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree with you about Christian believers and how we are perceived (and often rightly so) in the public square.  I think one of the struggles many analysts have with evangelicals today is that they think we are all on the &quot;Moral Majority&quot; bandwagon, touting the same &#039;values&#039; as way back then.  I&#039;d like to think that mantle is being shed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hypocrisy is a dastardly thing, for sure.  And whatever prompts us to follow after Jesus more transparently (be it &#039;emergent&#039; or whatever), I&#039;m for it.  Glad to hear you&#039;re making steps back out into public! :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I appreciate your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and good distinction between journalism and editorial.</p>
<p>I agree with you about Christian believers and how we are perceived (and often rightly so) in the public square.  I think one of the struggles many analysts have with evangelicals today is that they think we are all on the &#8220;Moral Majority&#8221; bandwagon, touting the same &#8216;values&#8217; as way back then.  I&#8217;d like to think that mantle is being shed.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy is a dastardly thing, for sure.  And whatever prompts us to follow after Jesus more transparently (be it &#8216;emergent&#8217; or whatever), I&#8217;m for it.  Glad to hear you&#8217;re making steps back out into public! <img src='http://soulation.org/daleblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I appreciate your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Fincher</title>
		<link>http://soulation.org/daleblog/2008/09/palin-religion-and-how-secularism-is-out-of-touch.html/comment-page-1#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Fincher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for your comment and good distinction between journalism and editorial.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree with you about Christian believers and how we are perceived (and often rightly so) in the public square.  I think one of the struggles many analysts have with evangelicals today is that they think we are all on the &quot;Moral Majority&quot; bandwagon, touting the same &#039;values&#039; as way back then.  I&#039;d like to think that mantle is being shed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hypocrisy is a dastardly thing, for sure.  And whatever prompts us to follow after Jesus more transparently (be it &#039;emergent&#039; or whatever), I&#039;m for it.  Glad to hear you&#039;re making steps back out into public! :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I appreciate your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and good distinction between journalism and editorial.</p>
<p>I agree with you about Christian believers and how we are perceived (and often rightly so) in the public square.  I think one of the struggles many analysts have with evangelicals today is that they think we are all on the &#8220;Moral Majority&#8221; bandwagon, touting the same &#8216;values&#8217; as way back then.  I&#8217;d like to think that mantle is being shed.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy is a dastardly thing, for sure.  And whatever prompts us to follow after Jesus more transparently (be it &#8216;emergent&#8217; or whatever), I&#8217;m for it.  Glad to hear you&#8217;re making steps back out into public! <img src='http://soulation.org/daleblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I appreciate your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t defend what the author is saying, but I would make the distinction that this is not &quot;journalism,&quot; but editorial. No one in their right mind is going to look to Salon for an un-biased perspective on culture or politics.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think that secularists will always push for the suppression of public displays of faith, but they feel justified because many of the displays of public faith truly are offensive.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think one of the things driving the emergent church movement (not that I&#039;m a un-questioning fan) is that Christianity has been represented poorly by those who would emphasize judgement over grace, dogmatism over compassion, creationism over creation, legalism over spirituality, etc. etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I view Christ as an ultimately irresistable character, as revealed in Scripture. If we Believers were true followers we would be irresistable as well. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, we have to be fully aware that He said He would be a dividing sword that would pit family members against each other and bring on us hate and condemnation more than He received. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My own retreat from public faith was precipitated by a new-found self-awareness of my own hypocrisy. With God&#039;s grace and a lot of help I&#039;m more unified in my internal and external spirit and I&#039;m making tentative steps back out into the public forum. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Peace, Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t defend what the author is saying, but I would make the distinction that this is not &#8220;journalism,&#8221; but editorial. No one in their right mind is going to look to Salon for an un-biased perspective on culture or politics.</p>
<p>I think that secularists will always push for the suppression of public displays of faith, but they feel justified because many of the displays of public faith truly are offensive.</p>
<p>I think one of the things driving the emergent church movement (not that I&#8217;m a un-questioning fan) is that Christianity has been represented poorly by those who would emphasize judgement over grace, dogmatism over compassion, creationism over creation, legalism over spirituality, etc. etc.</p>
<p>I view Christ as an ultimately irresistable character, as revealed in Scripture. If we Believers were true followers we would be irresistable as well. </p>
<p>That said, we have to be fully aware that He said He would be a dividing sword that would pit family members against each other and bring on us hate and condemnation more than He received. </p>
<p>My own retreat from public faith was precipitated by a new-found self-awareness of my own hypocrisy. With God&#8217;s grace and a lot of help I&#8217;m more unified in my internal and external spirit and I&#8217;m making tentative steps back out into the public forum. </p>
<p>Peace, Kim</p>
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